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16 minutes ago, hockeyavs23 said:

I am talking about salary. His salary was 14M. The salary cap was 70.2M. I'll let you take it from there.

The salary cap was 60M. Teams were allowed to spend up to 70.2M. There's a difference. And the reason why the 20% rule was made.

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3 hours ago, DJ_Sonne said:

The salary cap was 60M. Teams were allowed to spend up to 70.2M. There's a difference. And the reason why the 20% rule was made.

The 20% rule is actually calculated off of the salary cap ceiling, not the floor.  When people commonly say salary cap, they are usually referring to the salary cap ceiling.

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The Salary Cap Ceiling is the maximum amount of money that a team can spend on player salaries in accordance with the CBA. This number varies annually, and is commonly dependent upon the revenue accumulated by the NHL in previous seasons. No player may earn more than 20% of the salary cap.

The Salary Cap Floor is the minimum amount of money that a team must spend on player salaries in accordance with the CBA.  This floor prevents teams from depleting or trading away the core of their rosters with the intent of sacrificing their position in the league standings for a higher ranked position in the entry draft. This also acts to ensure that all players are compensated fairly. The Salary Cap floor is commonly set around $16-18 million below the Salary Cap Ceiling.

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq

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4 hours ago, DJ_Sonne said:

The salary cap was 60M. Teams were allowed to spend up to 70.2M. There's a difference. And the reason why the 20% rule was made.

Right. !4M is still more than 20% of 60M. I guess his was signed before the new CBA?

 

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1 hour ago, 13Hinote said:

The 20% rule is actually calculated off of the salary cap ceiling, not the floor.  When people commonly say salary cap, they are usually referring to the salary cap ceiling.

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq

You're telling ME with the cap floor and cap ceiling means now? Where in my post did I mention the floor? You do remember there was a lockout, right? Where teams had spent no much cash they had to allow them to spend up to 70.2M while the actual cap ceiling was 60M, right?

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41 minutes ago, DJ_Sonne said:

You're telling ME with the cap floor and cap ceiling means now? Where in my post did I mention the floor? You do remember there was a lockout, right? Where teams had spent no much cash they had to allow them to spend up to 70.2M while the actual cap ceiling was 60M, right?

The conversation was about Weber.  Weber's contract was signed before the lockout, when the salary cap for the off-season had been officially set at $70.2M, under the previous CBA.

NHL sets salary cap at $70.2M (June 2012)
Weber signs offersheet (July 2012)
Lockout, then NHL ratifies new CBA and adjusts the cap to $60M (January 2013)

The 20% rule was introduced in the 2005 CBA, so hockeyavs23 is absolutely correct in that the dollar amount of Weber's contract was right underneath the 20% rule at the time of signing.

I did assume you were referring to the floor based on context, but I guess I'm still confused as to where the $60M factors into the Weber contract at all.

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Yep, nit picking about some meaningless salary cap stuff from the past that doesn't even apply anymore. Sounds like we've reached the doldrums of the offseason. 

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19 hours ago, Avaholic03 said:

Yep, nit picking about some meaningless salary cap stuff from the past that doesn't even apply anymore. Sounds like we've reached the doldrums of the offseason. 

Luckily the Avs hired some more coaching staff today so we have that.

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Lightning re-signed Tyler Johnson to a 7 year $35M deal yesterday.

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13 minutes ago, grizzlygoalie said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/golden-knights-ticket-revenue-penguins-bruins-flyers-170552526.html

 

Well theres this story out there.  Apparently Vegas is on track to make more from tickets then the Penguins and flyers. and one would assume the Avs...

That's not really news. All expansion/relocation teams have a honeymoon period where they have exceptional fan support. The real test is how many of those fans come back after seeing the show a few times. Will Vegas be any good? Probably not. Do fans like to go watch their team lose? Not really. If they're still selling out games in 3-4 years, then they might be onto something. But I expect them to eventually have the same problems with attendance that the Coyotes have, and then we'll see what happens.

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2 minutes ago, Avaholic03 said:

That's not really news. All expansion/relocation teams have a honeymoon period where they have exceptional fan support. The real test is how many of those fans come back after seeing the show a few times. Will Vegas be any good? Probably not. Do fans like to go watch their team lose? Not really. If they're still selling out games in 3-4 years, then they might be onto something. But I expect them to eventually have the same problems with attendance that the Coyotes have, and then we'll see what happens.

True with the honeymoon, but to be beating the likes of 2 time cup champs is still a bit surprising. 

I have a feeling it might fall in 3 years if their season tickets really are a 3 yea min.  but how far? I don't think they'll have the issues of the Coyotes as the areana is well placed down town, and on the strip.  Its not like Arizona where its out in the middle of no where and a PIA to get to for anyone outside a 10 mile radius.   

 

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1 minute ago, grizzlygoalie said:

True with the honeymoon, but to be beating the likes of 2 time cup champs is still a bit surprising. 

I have a feeling it might fall in 3 years if their season tickets really are a 3 yea min.  but how far? I don't think they'll have the issues of the Coyotes as the areana is well placed down town, and on the strip.  Its not like Arizona where its out in the middle of no where and a PIA to get to for anyone outside a 10 mile radius.   

The Penguins have pretty much always had attendance problems too. They've faced bankruptcy multiple times, and they still can't find someone to buy the team even after back-to-back Cups. The second they slip from the top of the pile, the bandwagon fans will leave and they'll be back to the same trouble they were in before Lemieux bailed them out. Same with Chicago. Look at their attendance in the late 90s and early 2000s. In the 2006-07 season they averaged only 12,727 people per game in the United Center (capacity: 21000+). Barely 60% of capacity, that's worse than the Avs are now. 

They do have an advantage of location, but they still have to compete with all the other entertainment options on The Strip. After the novelty of "hockey in Vegas!!!" wears off, they will need to figure out a more permanent way to draw fans. In a few years they'll probably be giving away tons of free tickets at casinos just to gets butts in the seats.

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2 hours ago, Avaholic03 said:

The Penguins have pretty much always had attendance problems too. They've faced bankruptcy multiple times, and they still can't find someone to buy the team even after back-to-back Cups. The second they slip from the top of the pile, the bandwagon fans will leave and they'll be back to the same trouble they were in before Lemieux bailed them out. Same with Chicago. Look at their attendance in the late 90s and early 2000s. In the 2006-07 season they averaged only 12,727 people per game in the United Center (capacity: 21000+). Barely 60% of capacity, that's worse than the Avs are now. 

They do have an advantage of location, but they still have to compete with all the other entertainment options on The Strip. After the novelty of "hockey in Vegas!!!" wears off, they will need to figure out a more permanent way to draw fans. In a few years they'll probably be giving away tons of free tickets at casinos just to gets butts in the seats.

This is true with the Pens.

I think Vegas will suprise alot of people long term, same with the 'Yotes once their not in the equivalent of Brighton.

 

I don't have or ever wanted season tickets- do the Avs do anything like a 3 year min  commitment or is it just year by year?. 

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From where I live in the Valley, it's easily an hour and a half to two hours to drive out to the Yotes arena on a weeknight in traffic. Not doing that. Downtown, or in Tempe? I might go to more. Cardinals stadium is right next door but they play mostly weekends, and there's only 8 home games a season, so people are way more willing to make that trek. 

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16 minutes ago, grizzlygoalie said:

I don't have or ever wanted season tickets- do the Avs do anything like a 3 year min  commitment or is it just year by year?. 

At this point it's not even year by year. You can get half season tickets, you can pick or choose a ticket package. Pretty much anything to sell a seat. Back in the glory days you'd have longer commitments. You'd have waiting lists for season tickets. But that's the difference between a successful franchise and one that's in the basement. 

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1 hour ago, Avaholic03 said:

At this point it's not even year by year. You can get half season tickets, you can pick or choose a ticket package. Pretty much anything to sell a seat. Back in the glory days you'd have longer commitments. You'd have waiting lists for season tickets. But that's the difference between a successful franchise and one that's in the basement. 

And there's nights where we give away tickets for free (for students?) and other nights where it's only like 5 bucks.

 

Sad, really.

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